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Park Place - Tallahassee Outlet Center

Unread post by florida » Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:37 pm

Location:I-10 at Capital Circle NW, Tallahassee, FL

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Unread post by downtownster » Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:24 pm

its been since ancient times since was first rolled out. Whtat's the scoop here.....ever gonna happen?

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Unread post by UrbanDesign » Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:59 pm

It’s happening, yes. January or February construction will start. First thing to go up is apartments.

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Unread post by seminole » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:13 pm

There are about 30 tenants at this time:

http://www.wtxl.com/news/building-talla ... b51cb.html

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Unread post by downtownster » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:10 am

between this and the redevelopment of Market Square, I cant see how the Centre will have a shot of being anything more than it is today.

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Unread post by florida » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:18 pm

downtownster wrote:between this and the redevelopment of Market Square, I cant see how the Centre will have a shot of being anything more than it is today.

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Unread post by Taco Guapo 2020 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:14 pm

Hope the News Curse dosn't kill this off like many other projects that get reported and never happen. WCTV reported it today and they are getting everones hopes up like normal so when it turns out like it was suposed to no ones impressed.... They also mentioned a possible movie theater??????? The world did they get that from????? and apparently there is 30 signed tenants. Bottom Line is the curse has all the things in line to rear its ugly head again and ruin yet another project.... but i got high hopes for this to come to fruition as my property value is sure to rise a little when its all over.

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Unread post by florida » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:01 am

Taco Guapo 2020 wrote:Hope the News Curse dosn't kill this off like many other projects that get reported and never happen. WCTV reported it today and they are getting everones hopes up like normal so when it turns out like it was suposed to no ones impressed.... They also mentioned a possible movie theater??????? The world did they get that from????? and apparently there is 30 signed tenants. Bottom Line is the curse has all the things in line to rear its ugly head again and ruin yet another project.... but i got high hopes for this to come to fruition as my property value is sure to rise a little when its all over.

I think they got the movie theater thing from Gary Yordon himself. I believe he told the same to WTXL. I don't think they need to try building a theater here OR AT THE MARKET SQUARE!! AMC, Regal, and COBB should be sufficient for now. We still have the Challenger IMAX, and Movies 8 also.

Seems the strength of this OUTLET mall should be the discount shopping, and dining. A bank, gas station, and a few small shops might also help it along but they don't need to try to be a world into themselves. I need these developers to start looking at the market and assessing what we already have to improve their proposals a tad.

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florida wrote:
Taco Guapo 2020 wrote:Hope the News Curse dosn't kill this off like many other projects that get reported and never happen. WCTV reported it today and they are getting everones hopes up like normal so when it turns out like it was suposed to no ones impressed.... They also mentioned a possible movie theater??????? The world did they get that from????? and apparently there is 30 signed tenants. Bottom Line is the curse has all the things in line to rear its ugly head again and ruin yet another project.... but i got high hopes for this to come to fruition as my property value is sure to rise a little when its all over.

I think they got the movie theater thing from Gary Yordon himself. I believe he told the same to WTXL. I don't think they need to try building a theater here OR AT THE MARKET SQUARE!! AMC, Regal, and COBB should be sufficient for now. We still have the Challenger IMAX, and Movies 8 also.

Seems the strength of this OUTLET mall should be the discount shopping, and dining. A bank, gas station, and a few small shops might also help it along but they don't need to try to be a world into themselves. I need these developers to start looking at the market and assessing what we already have to improve their proposals a tad.

Totally agree here. The theatre at Market Square makes more sense than on at Park Place, but I agree that neither is a great idea.

Random comment regarding something Taco Guapo noted above - Re "30 signed tenants". Many times(see Centre of Tallahassee and others) developers claim "signed tenants" when really all they have are non-binding commitments. I know nothing regarding Park Place, but it wouldn't surprise me if they don't really have 30 tenants lined up.

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Unread post by chudan » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:25 pm

I will throw this out for public consumption. Back when AMC was starting their major renovation at The Centre, one of the bartenders (he was from an AMC in a major MAJOR market on loan to the Tally AMC) and I had a conversation about the plans for the renovation. He talked about how they were going to convert the back concession stand into a full blown dining facility for the Dine-In Full Service (https://www.amctheatres.com/food-and-dr ... ll-service). That never happened and its my guess that AMC is looking to get out of The Centre so they are not putting any more money into the current location. Because of the design of the auditoriums, they had a really, really bad ratio of old seats to new loungers ratio. Also, the loungers are supposed to be very easy to take out for repair, replacement or...moving to new location. My gut feeling tells me that AMC is going to move into Park Place and bail on the Centre. With two competing theatres going online soon, one just a few miles away, I think being in the ratty part of the Centre is not going to work for AMC when competing with the new facilities.

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Unread post by Taco Guapo 2020 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:01 pm

Would'nt suprise me if AMC bails it needs a more frontage on a major road and a more standard building that says
" Hey there's a movie theater here" it would be way better if they moved so then they can actually build what they need and they would'nt be buried in a dead mall. So if AMC and Park Place could strike a deal that would be a major step in the right direction for AMC and Park Place. But on second thought Market Square has a plan for a movie theater all ready but no actual tenent to fill the space if it does happen so kinda of an interesting thing to talk about weather we get 2 new theaters in both locations or just 1 new theater in Market square of if we have AMC move out to Market Square and a new theater goes in to Park Place or if AMC goes to park place and Market Square Gets A New Company into town. I would prefer if AMC would go to Parkplace cause the Market Square Footprint looks to be way smaller and if AMC went to park place they would have all the space in the world to play with.

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Unread post by music4life85 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:42 pm

Since this keeps getting brought up in this topic:

I'm not sure why people keep throwing the Market Square theater out there in regards to an over-saturation of movie theaters in Tallahassee. It's my understanding that it will be small (2-4 screens, right?). That's a specialty theater that Tallahassee needs and won't interrupt the current movie theater market in town.

I can totally see AMC moving out to the Park Place complex. However, that will really stretch the movie theaters out away from the central part of the city. Students will have to drive all the way out to Cap Cir/I-10 or all the way out to Fallschase in order to see a movie? That's a bit of a stretch.

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Unread post by chudan » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:17 pm

I doubt Governor Square is going anyplace anytime soon, especially if AMC did move out to Park Place, so central Tally will still have a major chain. And the IMAX at the Challenger Center is always doing first run IMAX movies.

In terms of drive time, Park Place from the heart of College Town is only 4-6 minutes further drive than current AMC location, per Google Map.

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Unread post by LCpro » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:50 pm

AMC's lease is like 20 years, folks. They aren't going anywhere.

Further, I am positive there is not demand for two or three more theaters in town, regardless of what someone has planned. There is a rather static number of potential patrons, and when you build more theaters(like gourmet burger restaurants, or breweries, etc..) you just stretch the current pool of patrons while adding a small number of new customers. Also, aren't both the one at Fallschase and Market Square the "dinner and a movie" type of place? This just isn't what most people want especially when movies are already ridiculously priced and nobody is taking their three kids to a $20+ a plate dinner theater.

Lastly, "the movie theater" seems to be heading the same way as the "indoor shopping mall" has given a combination of rising prices, more viewing options and the quickness that new movies are available for home viewing. Its not happening as fast, and it didn't start until more recently, but its happening and I'm afraid all the new theaters in town are just going to be sharing the customer pool that AMC and GS currently enjoy.

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Unread post by Taco Guapo 2020 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:59 pm

Im pretty sure AMC could make a buy out deal so they can move where ever..... Centre Would Probably take anything since they have been strugging since the RENO

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Unread post by chudan » Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:53 pm

My understanding is that lease has some performance clauses that the Centre has to meet (and failing). When the mall was in ownership flux AMC had started looking elsewhere. They got a sweetheart contract to stay if they invested in upgrading the theater, but it does contain some escape clauses if the Centre concept did not work out. Big issue for AMC is that all the approaches to the theater entrance have closed store/restaurant fronts (barring Belk). In particular, they are really down on the entrance passing the two closed restaurants full of junk. They were also assured that concert events would not impact below a certain level of movie going, which has already been surpassed. People tend to not go to the AMC as much on concert nights due to concerns about traffic, noise during movie, drunk post concert goers in parking lot, etc. They apparently got hammered on two major film opening nights that also had concerts at the amphitheater. One of the big problems is that most of the Centre's bigger acts are on weeknights, including Thursdays (due to Centre being way low on tour booking schedules). Thursday's are now the big opening nights for a lot of films, including Star Wars, Marvel, DC and other action film franchises.

Also, the people at the customer service desk and bar are pretty open to talking about these issues with 'regulars' there. That tells me management is being pretty open about their concerns if the employees feel free to talk about it.

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chudan wrote:My understanding is that lease has some performance clauses that the Centre has to meet (and failing). When the mall was in ownership flux AMC had started looking elsewhere. They got a sweetheart contract to stay if they invested in upgrading the theater, but it does contain some escape clauses if the Centre concept did not work out. Big issue for AMC is that all the approaches to the theater entrance have closed store/restaurant fronts (barring Belk). In particular, they are really down on the entrance passing the two closed restaurants full of junk. They were also assured that concert events would not impact below a certain level of movie going, which has already been surpassed. People tend to not go to the AMC as much on concert nights due to concerns about traffic, noise during movie, drunk post concert goers in parking lot, etc. They apparently got hammered on two major film opening nights that also had concerts at the amphitheater. One of the big problems is that most of the Centre's bigger acts are on weeknights, including Thursdays (due to Centre being way low on tour booking schedules). Thursday's are now the big opening nights for a lot of films, including Star Wars, Marvel, DC and other action film franchises.

Also, the people at the customer service desk and bar are pretty open to talking about these issues with 'regulars' there. That tells me management is being pretty open about their concerns if the employees feel free to talk about it.
Yeah I suspected there would be a way out of there some how now weather AMC takes it is another story my hopes they do take the easy way out and build a whole new state of the art theater but I hope alot of things that dont happen (FSU wins a road game, Bus service in my neighborhood, A good 90's band rolls through town, WWE has tv taping here) you get the idea.......

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chudan wrote: They were also assured that concert events would not impact below a certain level of movie going, which has already been surpassed. People tend to not go to the AMC as much on concert nights due to concerns about traffic, noise during movie, drunk post concert goers in parking lot, etc. They apparently got hammered on two major film opening nights that also had concerts at the amphitheater. One of the big problems is that most of the Centre's bigger acts are on weeknights, including Thursdays (due to Centre being way low on tour booking schedules). Thursday's are now the big opening nights for a lot of films, including Star Wars, Marvel, DC and other action film franchises.
Keep in mind that the concerts are scheduled two to four months in advance while
"opening night" for movies is announced usually a few weeks in advance at best. They have to schedule acts on days that work with the performers schedule. They would rarely know movie premier schedules that far in advance, and frankly, there is no way they can tell a performer "we would love to have you here on 'insert date' but the fifteenth Batman remake comes out that day and we don't want to interfere with 'opening night'". Sorry, you can go to the AMC anytime. Its patently ridiculous for them to complain about this and act like its affecting their bottom line. We are talking about one to two nights a month. Its a joke imo that they would even claim "hardship" over this.

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LCpro wrote:
chudan wrote: They were also assured that concert events would not impact below a certain level of movie going, which has already been surpassed. People tend to not go to the AMC as much on concert nights due to concerns about traffic, noise during movie, drunk post concert goers in parking lot, etc. They apparently got hammered on two major film opening nights that also had concerts at the amphitheater. One of the big problems is that most of the Centre's bigger acts are on weeknights, including Thursdays (due to Centre being way low on tour booking schedules). Thursday's are now the big opening nights for a lot of films, including Star Wars, Marvel, DC and other action film franchises.
Keep in mind that the concerts are scheduled two to four months in advance while
"opening night" for movies is announced usually a few weeks in advance at best. They have to schedule acts on days that work with the performers schedule. They would rarely know movie premier schedules that far in advance, and frankly, there is no way they can tell a performer "we would love to have you here on 'insert date' but the fifteenth Batman remake comes out that day and we don't want to interfere with 'opening night'". Sorry, you can go to the AMC anytime. Its patently ridiculous for them to complain about this and act like its affecting their bottom line. We are talking about one to two nights a month. Its a joke imo that they would even claim "hardship" over this.
Not for the big franchise films. The release dates are often blocked out 3-5 years in advance. When Marvel last announced their tentative release schedule for Phase 3, they had specifics dates listed for 5+ years and have kept those dates pretty well locked in other than two movies being shifted and one being dropped.

Hell, most major movies lock in their release dates at least 2 years out.

Thing is, The Centre supposedly made the commitments to AMC to get them to stay long-term, not the other way around.

FYI, this is just a public release date list for 2019, the theaters and associated industires have even further out windows at their disposal.

JANUARY 2019

January 4 (Friday)
Eli

January 11 (Friday)
Ad Astra
Hellboy
What Men Want

January 18 (Friday)
Glass
Playmobil
Spies in Disguise

January 25 (Friday)
The Nightingale

FEBRUARY 2019

February 8 (Friday)
Flarsky
The LEGO Movie 2
Silver & Black

February 14 (Thursday - Valentine's Day)
The Kid Who Would be King
Isn't It Romantic

February 15 (Friday)
Instant Family

February 22 (Friday)
The Rhythm Section
X-Men: The New Mutants

MARCH 2019

March 1 (Friday)
Chaos Walking
The Force
How to Train Your Dragon 3

March 8 (Friday)
Captain Marvel

March 15 (Friday)
Amusement Park
Jordan Peele Project

March 22 (Friday)
Godzilla: King of Monsters

March 29 (Friday)
Dumbo

APRIL 2019

April 5 (Friday)
Shazam!

April 12 (Friday)
Disneytoons Movie
The Voyage of Doctor Dolittle

April 19 (Friday)
Pet Sematary



Summer 2019

MAY 2019

May 3 (Friday)
Marvel's Avengers 4

May 10 (Friday)
Detective Pikachu
The Rosie Project
Uglydolls

May 17 (Friday)
John Wick: Chapter 3

May 24 (Friday)
Aladdin
Minecraft: The Movie

JUNE 2019

June 7 (Friday)
Charlie's Angels
Gambit
The Secret Life of Pets 2

June 14 (Friday)
Men in Black Spin-Off
Son of Shaft

June 21 (Friday)
Pixar's Toy Story 4

June 28 (Friday)
Cowboy Ninja Viking
Transformers 7

JULY 2019

July 5 (Friday)
Spider-Man: Homecoming 2

July 12 (Friday)
Top Gun: Maverick

July 19 (Friday)
The Lion King

July 26 (Friday)
Hobbs and Shaw
Terminator

AUGUST 2019

August 9 (Friday)
Artemis Fowl
Tarantino Movie

SEPTEMBER 2019

September 6 (Friday)
It: Chapter 2

September 20 (Friday)
The Angry Birds Movie 2

September 27 (Friday)
Everest

OCTOBER 2019

October 4 (Friday)
Gemini Man

October 11 (Friday)
The Addams Family
Are You Afraid of the Dark?
The Goldfinch

October 18 (Friday)
Blumhouse Horror

NOVEMBER 2019

November 1 (Friday)
Wonder Woman 2

November 8 (Friday)
Death on the Nile
Noelle

November 15 (Friday)
Margie Claus
Sonic The Hedgehog

November 27 (Wednesday - Thanksgiving)
Frozen 2

DECEMBER 2019

December 18 (Wednesday)
Masters of the Universe

December 20 (Friday)
Star Wars: Episode IX
Wicked

December 25 (Wednesday - Christmas Day)
The Call of the Wild

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